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Happy new Year Im new to this. Can someone please help me configure my v8 Super to view channel on SES1. I scanned in channels but not sure sure how or where to enter powervu keys.

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The Freesat units find most PowerVu keys if you wait a short time on the channel.

If not have a look at the instruction I gave in this topic.

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Owen thanks for your reply. I looked over your threads but its a bit confusing for me. Dont want to upset the feral kiwi but can you help a newbie.

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Search the net for the code you need.
From this site I find: anis-sat.blogspot.co.nz

SES 1 & DirecTV 4S/8 at 101.0°W
Scripps Networks
3980 H 30000-5/6
key 00 909DD8F17BCFA7
key 01 B18FC4A6AC0859

SES 1 & DirecTV 4S/8 at 101.0°W
4020 H 28000-3/4
key 00 5BB685E40EAABD ; ECM Key0
key 01 96D71BE6B2F98F ; ECM Key1
Feralkiwi wrote:For manual entry you need to do the entry twice, once for idx 00 and another line/ entry for idx 01.
you need to add the TP info and sat longitude as you enter the code with all the ; and :

eg;
8CABF8C91CFC3E00;2850:04100:30000:V ; Globesat SportTV

602A6CF7CF8F63 the key code,
2850 the satellite longitude. For 105.5e = 1055, for 75w = 3600-750=2850, for 177w = 1830 (3600-1770)
04100 transponder frequency
30000 Transponder symbol rate
V transponder polarity
anything written after the last semi-colon (;) is not used and is a reference of what the code is for, eg "Globesat SportTV"

You will also need the idx "01" code entered on another line.

The easy way is to type the lines into "Notepad" on a computer and save the file as softcam.key
Start this by "Exporting" your softcam.key file from the "Conditional Access" menu onto a USB stick and open it with Notepad on your computer.
Then add the extra lines you need and then "Import" it back in.
Watch that you don't get too many duplicates of the same keys.
So for manual entry for Scripps.
For key idx "00" type in
909DD8F17BCFA7;2590:03980:30000:H ; Scripps Networks
For key idx "01" type in
B18FC4A6AC0859;2590:03980:30000:H ; Scripps Networks

You can leave off the " Scripps Networks". That is useful when using the softcam.key file on your computer.

So for manual entry for DirecTV
For key idx "00" type in
5BB685E40EAABD;2590:04020:28000:H ; DirecTV
For key idx "01" type in
96D71BE6B2F98F;2590:04020:28000:H ; DirecTV

And lines to add to your softcam.key file look like this.
P 0000 00 909DD8F17BCFA7;2590:03980:30000:H ; Scripps Networks
P 0000 01 B18FC4A6AC0859;2590:03980:30000:H ; Scripps Networks
P 0000 00 5BB685E40EAABD;2590:04020:28000:H ; DirecTV
P 0000 01 96D71BE6B2F98F;2590:04020:28000:H ; DirecTV

Picture of the "KeyData" line in the V8 Golden entry screen for the "Scripps network" code.
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Picture of the "ADD" Powervu entry screen with the code as it is needed for the "Scripps network" code.
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Picture of the Powervu code list. Lines 57 AND 58 (idx 00 and 01) make up the full code.
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You can save your softcam.key file to USB from the conditional access menu using the "Export" feature.
You then open the sofcam.key file with Notepad on your computer and add these lines.
Save the file again onto the USB stick and reload it using "Import" in the conditional access menu.
Remember the V8 will over write any softcam.key file already on the USB stick. I rename and save my files as backup.

Good luck

Edited Jan 09: Added pictures of the screens.

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Re: SES1 North America

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I have the freesat V7 and it could only roll 1 transponder on this sat.
Its hard to find Keys for the NA sats.
I have a different receiver and rolled all on ses1, could use a new update so it could roll more in The USA.

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Hi Owen,

I'm trying to enter in using the remote starting with 00 and nothing comes up.I tried the links you posted.I looked in the sat naming menu's and around the blind scan but i'm not able to figure out how to plug those codes in.My living room tv is getting a few of the $$ channels.But i keep getting the encrypted message on the other reciever it gets none of the$$ channels.Are there any youtube videos on this subject for the V8 s?.I read the posts here on how some of you are using USB drives plugged into the V8's and V7's it can't be that difficult to do,why the heck is this so hard to get through my head?

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ed123 wrote:Hi Owen,

I'm trying to enter in using the remote starting with 00 and nothing comes up.
I have added picture in my earlier post in this topic that may help you.

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Thanks Owen,

I'm getting closer to figuring this out,I do the 66666 thing and get the drop down to come up it was initially blank then I entered in one of the00/01 keys and thats appearing as the only key visable.(There were never any visable)I have a couple of questions.
1 the slightly older receiver gets a few $$$ channels the reciever in the other room will not get any $$ at all my question is should any power view keys be visable?
2 Is there a way to force update without a USB stick?
I think I'm getting closer to figuring this out...I found a youtube video but it had no understandable audio.The guy in the video had a page full of keys on his screen.Are these generated by the V8S? Or are they only visable after I manually enter it?You said intially the V8 searches for keys then shouldnt they appear in that grid?
Thank you for your patience
Ed

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I left out something that may be important or not:

I have been plugging in the names of satellites in this part of the world over the Astra's etc. and renaming them.I am only using cband at the moment even though the info described is Ku.I believe the old school lnb's I am using are 3.7-4.? Ghz the lowest frequency selectable in the v8 is around 5.150ghz so i ignore it and everything seems to come in fine.I have a 12foot paraclipse and the signal bar on the left reads almost all the wa to the top the one to the right a little bit reads a little bit lower but I have noticed with 16aspk it has to be very close to the top even with the 12 footer.I havent been asking many questions because all was working fine for what i wanted till Jan 04.I figured I'd better ad this.
Ed

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Hi Ed
When you enter the Conditional access menu and then go to the powervu list, only the codes that you have entered will show.
The codes the unit has found for you do not show.

You can make these show on the list by "exporting" and then "Import" from the main conditional access menu.
You do need a USB memory stick in the USB port for this to work.

If your LNB is an older one with the "Low" frequency lower than 5150 then the frequencies listed for each TP will not match those as listed on sites like lyngsat. If your tp frequencies are out you will have to use the freq that you scan in for your powervu code entry as well.

Yes 16apsk does need a very good signal to work.

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Thanks Owen,

Do I have to enter the other info the semi colun,:transponder number,sat arc location etc. or just the keys? I went to the site and copied all the keys for ses1 there were 2 pair but i only entered the keys not the rest and....it did'nt work.So I believe i am missing something?

Ed

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Hi ED have a look through my instruction here.
Yes you do need the : ; and freq etc.
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Thanks Owen,
I've been out a couple of days but I'm going to check that out right now.

Ed

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Hi Owen,

Does upper case caps or lower case matter? my provider shows the 1a2b3c4d but the idx are changing order I distinctly started with 00 on #1 01 on #2 00 #3 01 #4 and the order has changed with the 01 on top of the list.I know thats not the order i manually enterd them.The V8s kept shutting off also which was odd.

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Hi ED

No the upper case does not matter, that I know of. I type lower in and it works and upper works from USB loading too.

The order should not matter too.
When you edit a line it moves it in the list, but the units look through the whole list as far as I know.

I have seen the units shut off or lock when they are trying to decode a weak signal of a HD channel.
I try to find or setup codes using a SD channel first.

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Hi Owen,

I tried a couple of hours last night and it just won't work.The main receiver in the living room get scifi and a few other sub channels without the keys all along.I enter the keys and nothing.The other receiver gets the fta only it doesnt get the 12 or so pay ones my first receiver gets.I tried the keys on that one all 4 that you sent (they were the same still from last week) unless they changed them already.
Is the power view automatic on the V8super? nothing needs to be enabled right?the second one is about 2 weeks newer got it from the same source.
Do you think it would help if I were blind scanning selecting 5150mhz? the living room receiver is on the 9150-xxxx mhz setting.I'm running out of things to try.Any other ideas? should i leave the bedroom unit on scifi showing the subscription tag overnight?

Thanks for your patience.
Ed

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Yes you have to set it to 5150 to scan if you expect to pick up channels in the C band range. You can easily dump your softcam.key from the working receiver and import it to the non working one after you scan the channels in.

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Yes if you load the softcam.key file from the working receiver, that should work,
BUT only if both receivers have the same LNB frequencies.

Because the code line has the TP freq and SR both STB's need to be using the same freq for the LNB.

Have you tried saving your user data base from the first, working, STB and loading it into the second STB along with the softcam.key file?
Assuming both boxes are freesat V8's.
This will make both STB's have the same LNB and channel frequency settings so the softcam.key file can be shared.

Also if both units are sharing the same dish through a splitter, the STB that is viewing a "H" TP channel will block the other STB from viewing a "V" channel.
If both STB's have a separate cable feed from a dual LNB then this is not a problem.

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Hi Owen,

Both receivers are receiving the same channels,but the channel numbers are not the same but they seem to repeat at least 4 times on both receivers when i blind scan.I have tried to leave the other receiver overnight on sci fi channel and it still reads "subscription service" the other 2nd receiver.The main receiver picks up about a dozen channels that are the $$ sub. regardless of the keys I tried to type in.Both are V8 super receivers that came from freesat seller on ebay.One of them gets the $channels the other does not.The keys you sent pictured I believe to be still good current keys.I entered them on both units and it made no difference on the SES 1 sat.I would have thought at the very least if there was any change,I would have lost the channels I was getting on the main receiver by entering the keys but this neither helped or hindered what I was already getting on the receiver that does get some of the $$ channels.I understand that horizontal transponders can only be viewed in the other room,but the slightly newer V8 super does not seem to be able to get the few $ subscription channels that the main unit gets.I don't understand why only a few of the channels come in that receiver.The horizontal FTA channels that are in the clear do come in on both receivers.They are the hero's Metv get tv about 8 total.These do not have the dollar $$ sign subscription symbol.I believe all of these to be the easier to get 8 apsk not the 16 apsk that were on G19 that recently got pulled on Jan 4th.It would be great to get this to work to a point where I had the confidence that entering the keys was actually doing something.But the "good" receiver seems to work on a few of the channels regardless what I do entering the keys.Owen, it acts like I am forgetting to turn the receiver on! It is really automatic?or am I missing something.I feel like one of my own customers that doesnt realise they have to turn the radio on for it to work.Thank for bearing with me.I'm beginning to wonder if I have 2 defective receivers .Whats also frustrating is these receivers seem to have just about every satellite in the arc EXCEPT for the one's over the US !

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i only have 2 v7 receivers not v8 both of mine get all the ses1 chanels i am on ses 1 right now and they are getting all power vu channesls comming in great

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Did you have to plug in any keys or did it just work?

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I have two v8 super and no problem.8 ft dish from 139 to 55.5 west.Blind secan one receiver and then do usb dump from the receiver.Them go to the 2 receiver and them usb upgrade and user db.And all working the same on the two receivers.

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usb "softcam.key" for all the keys and then loading on the receiver sametimes did open same times same channels not open.Butt most of times all open

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tanka wrote:usb "softcam.key" for all the keys and then loading on the receiver sametimes did open same times same channels not open.Butt most of times all open
most people with only the V8 Super do not have these channels open.
If you have softcam key file to open all channels please post it here for others to use.

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Hi Ed

If the second receiver has different frequencies scanned in for the $$ channels then entering the codes as I listed them will not work.
Have a look at one of these channels and look at the frequency and SR listed for it.
It is that Freq and SR that you need to enter in the place of the ones I listed from lyngsat listed freq of 3980 H 30000.
eg: as I typed it
909DD8F17BCFA7;2590:03980:30000:H ; Scripps Networks

If you freq and SR are different eg 2580 H 29999 then you need to enter those same freq and sr like this;

909DD8F17BCFA7;2590:02580:29999:H ; Scripps Networks

You say you have multiple channels in your receivers for these channels. This is likely due to you scanning with different LNB settings.
When you try the code lines with you Freq and SR, check that the numbers you use are for a working watchable channel, ie not one that says "No Signal".

So I can check and help you, can you email me a copy of you user data base file as saved from the USB Dump menu for each unit?
I can look through this and see what you have set up for in you units.
Also mail me a copy of you "softcam.key" file too.
You will need to rename each file by adding STB1 and STB2 ( or something like that) to the file names as both units will save the softcam.key and DDB files with the same name.

I've personal messaged you with my email.

Owen
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